[Leiden Open 2020] Social interactions through slightly too small pub rooms

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[Leiden Open 2020] Social interactions through slightly too small pub rooms

By: Pjotr Koster (NSDV Trivium)

During the weekend of 29th of February and 1st of March, there was a little tournament called Leiden Open 2020. This debating tournament did not only have a strong CA team but also had a crazy good judge pool, which meant that the feedback was excellent. This was of course complemented by great (international) teams ranging from Leiden to the London School of Economics. Trivium was sadly only represented by myself and the powerhouse that is Mara Burgstede.

Luckily, Leiden was quite accessible and the venue wasn’t that far from the station. The venue was not the star of this tournament but the people were. People were excited to speak and the post-debate talk in the hallway was always interesting. Even with five rounds on Saturday and a schedule that wasn’t followed, the conversation stayed upbeat and it was in general easy to get to know people. With a slightly delayed dinner for a few people and five rounds, it was time for a good old debating social. This could only be on the first floor of a café with a room that is just slightly too small, causing the place to be somewhat packed and making it more likely people talked to each other. After break announcements and a lot of banging on the table, it was time to finally get some sleep.

The next day the (quarter) finals took place. Because not everyone broke to the quarterfinals, few teams were present. This was on the one hand kind of sad because you, of course, wanted more people to watch your debate. On the other hand, it is also understandable why you would want this as people now still had one day of the weekend left (this should absolutely be a debating motion). After sadly not breaking to semis, it was also time for me to leave as I had other obligations. From what I heard, the other debates were quite good and some motions were pretty creative. All with all it was a fun yet somewhat intense tournament.

Motion discussion

Infoslide: A public defender is a lawyer employed by the state in a criminal trial to represent the defendant.

Motion: THW require all criminal defendants to use a public defender.

Round 1 – Leiden Open 2020

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Before any arguments on either government’s side or opposition’s side can be discussed, it’s important to look at the context of this debate: what actors are involved and what do they look like? For this debate, the most important actors to contextualise are the public defenders and the private defenders. Public defenders are paid by the state and normally aren’t paid by the number of cases they take/win. They also normally aren’t paid as much as other law practitioners in fields like patent law. Private firms, however, want to make money. What also needs to be explained is the purpose of a justice system/punishment for breaking the law. Here are three purposes: deterrence, incapacitation, and retribution. Of course, the purposes of the justice system needs to be acted upon fairly and proportionately.

On government’s side, one can claim that, for these purposes, equality in front of the law is required: e.g. if a group of people can get away with or get marginal punishment for crimes, such as tax fraud, they’re more likely to commit those crimes, so the purpose of deterrence isn’t upheld. Now that the burden of proof is set up for the government’s case, it needs to be shown that the requirement of criminal defendants to have a public defender leads to more equality for the law. There are multiple ways to explain this, but the general idea is to explicitly compare private and public defenders. One way is to say that public defenders don’t have a monetary incentive to win cases and are therefore more likely to look at what is a fair punishment. Private firms want money, so they want to win as many cases as possible: they’ll get hired more by richer and more powerful people, earning them more money. Private defenders will try to win every case in any way possible. This leads to dirty tactics to be used: intimidation of witnesses, prolonging the trial as much as possible, etc. An example could be defenders of O.J. Simpson telling him to stop taking his medicine so his hand would grow, so the gloves found wouldn’t fit him. Because of these asymmetries with how these defenders work and what they use, there is more equality under the law when this plan is put forward as now everyone uses the same kind of defender.

On the opposition’s side, it can be explained that resources like time and money already are scarce for public defenders in the status quo. At the moment this plan is put into practice, the amount of work for public defenders is going to increase majorly, as the cases that private defenders have are now transferred to the public defenders. This would lead to worse situations in which public defenders have to rush through cases which means that people are getting worse punishments than they should: defenders have less time to first gather evidence and secondly think of the best/correct implementation of that evidence in the case. This is true in the short term, but also in the long term: as law students see that they need to work long hours, get paid little and need to rush through cases, they’re more likely to pursue different sectors. In the end, the impact is that people get defended worse than when private defenders can be used. This causes more disproportionate and unfair punishments for a big group of people.

These arguments can, of course, use more explanation on why they’re true, which is called analysis. They also need to be weighed off against each other, e.g. why do we care more about all people being defended worse than more trials for rich/powerful people.

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