doorHoofdredacteur Seventwenty

Nieuws: Besturen 2015 / 2016 – Wageningen

De komende weken stelt 720 de besturen van Nederlandse debatverenigingen voor. Vanavond het bestuur van Wagening Debating. Over the next few weeks 720 will introduce the boards of Dutch debating societies. Tonight we introduce the board of Wageningen Debating.




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Nieuws: Besturen 2015 / 2016 – UCU

De komende weken stelt 720 de besturen van Nederlandse debatverenigingen voor. We beginnen met de UCU Debating Union, uit Utrecht. Over the next few weeks 720 will introduce the boards of Dutch debating societies. We start with the UCU Debating Union, from Utrecht.

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Opinion: Statist Bias – Counter Props and why we value Debating

By Srdjan Miletic

Beyond the thrill of competition oSrdjan - Statist Biasr teaching critical thinking, one of the greatest things debating offers is wisdom. Good debates result in persuasive arguments being brought, attacked and compared, a process which often leads to brilliant and innovative analysis of issues and creative solutions to pressing social problems. Time and time again debating has led me to reevaluate my position on a variety of issues as I heard arguments which I had never been exposed to before. Whereas when I came into debating I thought all military interventions evil, debating made me confront the fact that in some situations a diplomatic solution was impossible and intervention was the only alternative to atrocities. Debating made me that little bit less ignorant, made my opinions resemble reality that little bit more and for that I am intensely grateful. That being said, what if a certain set of persuasive arguments were to be arbitrarily excluded from debating? What if we weren’t allowed to bring up local opposition when discussing humanitarian interventions? What if we couldn’t mention black markets in debates about drug legalization? It seems obvious that such arbitrary restrictions would make debating worse by ensuring that the discussions we had in debating were detached from reality, meaning the arguments made in debating applied only in debate-land and were of no relevance to the real world, holding little chance of influencing or people’s real opinions. Yet, there seem to be two problems with BP as it exists now which result in precisely such exclusion of argumentative categories.

The role of the state is one of the major points of contention between left and right wing parties in the real world. Partially, this disagreement is fuelled by different views on the extent to which the state should impose taxes on its citizens, or whether the state can effectively intervene in markets. Another part of the argument centres around whether state power should be feared amidst concerns states are not only fallible but also corruptible. For instance, one of the reasons many people, including myself, are against laws restricting free speech is that we do not trust the state to enforce such laws fairly, or to not expand them beyond their original scope. As such, we are willing to accept the harms of hate speech if it means avoiding the risk of government restricting other, more valuable forms of free speech. The problem is that BP debating often excludes concerns about the extent to which we can trust a state because in BP we are the state. As such, the above argument and others like it do not hold water in most BP debates as the government team can simply state that they will only enforce the law fairly and in a limited context. In other words, it seems that BP has an intrinsic statist bias which seriously limits the extent to which the dynamics of many debates reflect reality. This is a problem that I cannot see a simple solution to.

Another feature of good policy discussions in reality is that when we assess the merits of a policy, we do so by comparing it to a range of alternatives and not just to the policy which currently happens to be in place. When we discuss whether to renew Trident, the UK’s continuous at sea nuclear deterrent, we shouldn’t simply compare disarmament to keeping Trident as it is today but also to alternate options such as switching to aircraft based deterrence. In debating, counter-props are the mechanism which allows for such comparisons. Without the ability to counter-prop, opposition teams are locked into defending whatever the status quo of the day happens to be. Yet, I often meet CAs and judges who either see counter-props as entirely illegitimate or as strange and unfair. The problem with disliking or restricting counter-props is that doing so restricts comparison to only the proposed policy and the status quo, excluding a whole range of other potentially superior options and ensuring debaters cannot discuss a policy as it would be discussed in reality. The solution to problem is simple: allow counter-props for most debates and do not view them as unusual or deserving of punishment. If certain rare motions require a strict dichotomy between two options, it is always possible to restrict comparison by making the dichotomy intrinsic to the motion, for example with the wording “THW do X instead of Y”.

Debating is a game and, like all games, its existence is a function of a certain set of rules. Those rules should not be arbitrary. They should reflect and further the reasons we value debating. Aside from what I have said above, I don’t know many ways in which the rules of BP could be changed to make debating better. That being said, I’m sure that BP as it is now is not perfect and it may be wise for us as a community to take a good, hard look at what we want from debating and why we have the rules we do.

doorHoofdredacteur Seventwenty

Nieuws: Cicero Debattoernooi

cropped-Cicero-Logo-HD Op zaterdag 21 november
vond in Tilburg het Cicero debattoernooi plaats, traditioneel dé Nederlandstalige seizoensopener. Cicero wordt in het AP gehouden, waarbij twee teams het tegen elkaar opnemen per ronde. Na vijf rondes, een halve finale en een beloftefinale zijn de volgende winnaars bekend gemaakt:

Beste beloftespreker: Simon Martina Perez

Beste spreker: Daan Welling

Winnaars van de beloftefinale: Tiong Bahru A, Simon Martina Perez en Viktor Schippers.

Winnaars van de finale: Tjoeng Baroeng B, Devin van den Berg en Lisa Schallenberg. Voor Devin betekent dit zijn tweede winst op Cicero.


Ronde 1: Deze Kamer verplicht migranten een Nederlandse naam aan te nemen

Ronde 2: Deze Kamer investeert substantieel meer in ruimtevaart

Ronde 3: Deze Kamer legaliseert Uberpop

Ronde 4: Deze Kamer vindt terrorisme een legitieme manier van oorlogsvoering

Ronde 5: Deze Kamer houdt een eigenaar altijd verantwoordelijk voor de daden van een autonome robot alsof die door de eigenaar gedaan zijn

Beloftefinale: Deze Kamer bepaalt het aantal zetels dat een land krijgt in het Europese parlement op basis van het aantal uitgebrachte stemmen in plaats van op inwoneraantal

Halve finale: Deze Kamer vindt dat het belastingstelsel gezinnen met kinderen niet moet bevoordelen

Finale: Deze Kamer vindt dat in landen waar georganiseerde misdaad een probleem is, de militaire inlichtingendiensten moeten worden ingezet om leden op te sporen en te doden.

Voor de geïnteresseerden staat de tab online.



doorDaan Welling

Liveverslag: Cicero Toernooi 2015

Goedemorgen allemaal!

Vandaag vind het Cicero Toernooi plaats in het bourgondische Tilburg. Cicero was vroeger altijd de traditionele opening van het debatjaar. Nu, dankzij het vroeg beginnende Engelse seizoen, kan het beschouwd worden als dé Nederlandstalige seizoensopener.

Cicero word in het AP gehouden, waarbij twee teams het tegen elkaar opnemen per ronde. Vorig jaar werd Cicero gewonnen door de traditionele ‘BP’-vereniging Leiden. Bionda Merckens en Anastasia Grishkova gingen er toen met de winst vandoor. Weet Leiden dit jaar haar titel te verdedigen of gaat een andere vereniging er met de prijs vandoor?

Het schema voor vandaag kun je hier vinden. Wij zullen vandaag hier de stellingen updaten, de break aankondigen en de uitslagen doorgeven. Dit doen we zo veel mogelijk op de blog zelf, maar in ieder geval via de twitterfeed hieronder. We tweeten met de hashtag #cicero. In de loop van de week zal een uitgebreid sfeerverslag verschijnen.

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On the Hunt for Junior Doctors

Over the last years, Europe has seen multiple cases of industrial action or strikes. These took place in the airline sector, public transport sector, and many others. It is important to be aware of some of the examples in case you face an industrial action debate at (inter)national competitions. Ed Middleton is a Junior Doctor in the UK, and former Imperial College London debater. He sets out some background to the United Kingdom’s healthcare system and explains the current controversy surrounding Junior Doctor’s contracts, ahead of the ballot outcome beingDSCN2422 announced Thursday the 19th of October.

From Thursday the 5th of November to Wednesday the 18th of November junior doctors in England will be asked to vote on industrial action. This is in response to a new contract, proposed by the Department of Health. If the results of the ballot favour a strike, junior doctors across England will withdraw labour on three separate days in December. In this article, I hope to outline the events that have led up to the balloting for strike action, the reasons behind the strike, and the details of proposed action.

My personal view is that the proposed contracts are unsafe for patients and unfair to junior doctors. However, in the interests of balance and in order to allow the reader to form their own views on the matter, I will attempt to outline the issues without bias and convey the stance of the government, as well as that of the British Medical Association (BMA, the trade union representing junior doctors in this dispute).

Context and Background: The UK NHS and Junior Doctors

The term ‘junior doctor’ in the English healthcare system consists of doctors on their first day of work after medical school, right up to the day before they become consultants, with up to ten or more years experience working as doctors. At the most senior level, a junior doctor includes Specialist Registrars – doctors who have specialised in a sub-section of medicine or surgery. They are the most senior doctor in the hospital out of hours (excluding some specific specialties, such as obstetrics, paediatrics or intensive care, which have consultant cover), they have their own clinics and carry out their own surgical procedures unsupervised. The vast majority of junior doctors are employed by the NHS and only those junior doctors with contracts issued by NHS England will be balloted for the current industrial action.

The NHS is a state-provided healthcare system, paid for by the taxpayer, free at the point of use and is by far the main provider of healthcare services in the United Kingdom. The Department of Health and the NHS are responsible for issuing the contracts and determining the salary of junior doctors in the NHS. Over recent years, NHS strategy has sought to move the service towards a seven-day pattern of work. The precise description of what this seven-day service entails varies widely, from a weekday provision of admissions, discharges and investigations over the weekend, to outpatient’s clinics, specialist investigations and elective surgery (surgery that is planned in advance and scheduled for a specific date, typically six weeks in advance, in contrast to emergency surgery) provided every day of the week.

Moving to a seven-day NHS

The current Secretary of State for Health, MP Jeremy Hunt, has stated that in order to allow hospitals to properly provide medical cover at weekends, a new contract has to be issued to junior doctors. As evidence for the need for seven-day working, the government has often cited a paper that analysed patient outcomes on weekdays and at weekends. The government has repeatedly quoted, in public and in parliamentary debates, that this paper showed increased mortality for patients at weekends. The actual results and conclusions of the paper, as described by the authors, were that mortality fell over weekends, but that patients who came in to hospital over the weekend had an increased mortality over 30 days, compared to people admitted on weekdays. The authors offered no explanation for why this may be the case and, crucially, did not speculate that an increased numbers of junior doctors would reduce this risk.

Indeed, the BMA and many doctors have claimed that his would have no effect, while staffing levels of other professions such as radiographers, physiotherapists, and social workers is not increased, and that the increased mortality may be associated with a change in the patient population that presents to hospitals at weekends.

The new contract

The most significant changes to the contract, those that have caused the most contention between the BMA and the government, consist predominantly to changes surrounding the hours junior doctors can be rostered to work and the pay they receive. Currently, junior doctors receive a base salary of £22,636 to £47,175, depending on the number of years they have worked and the amount of experience they have. This is then increased by a factor of 1.2, 1.4 or 1.5, depending on the amount of out-of-hours work.  Because of the high burden of out-of-hours and on-call commitments, the majority of junior doctors will receive the 1.4 or 1.5 multiplier to their base rate. This means that approximately one third (in the 1.5x scenario) of a junior doctors pay is for out-of-hours work. The proposed changes, would increase the base salary, but change out of hours pay to only apply to those times worked out of hours (rather than to the entire base salary). A pay calculator issued by the BMA claims this would result in a net pay cut of 11%-30% (depending on the exact rota worked), although this has been disputed by the government.

The new contracts would also change the times defined as unsociable hours. Currently, sociable working hours are defined as 7am to 7pm for junior doctors. Under new proposals, sociable hours would be defined as 6am to 10pm, Monday to Saturday. This would mean that working from midday to 10pm on a Saturday, a typical example of an on-call shift, would not be classed as unsociable hours and would thus not be paid with an unsociable hours premium.

A further area of contention is around penalties issued to hospitals that breach the agreed cap on junior doctors hours. Under the current contracts and the European Working Time Directive, doctors are not allowed to work longer than an average of 48 hours per week, unless they choose to take extra shifts. Twice per year, all hospitals must monitor the hours worked in a typical fortnight by all junior doctors. The results of this monitoring are processed to determine if  rotas are in breach of this mandated limit. If rotas are found not to be compliant, the hospital is required to pay compensation to doctors working excessive hours. One of the proposed changes to the contract is the removal of this financial penalty. Instead, doctors would still have contractual rights, but they would have to be pursued through legal mechanisms, and the consequences of breaching limits is not clear. The BMA is concerned that this mechanism of enforcement is not robust enough to prevent doctors being rostered to work long hours on potentially dangerous rotas, which may damage patient care by not affording junior doctors sufficient rest to ensure they make safe decisions. Pilots, for instance, have mandated periods of rest after flights and there are caps to the amount of time they can work per month or year. These are strictly adhered to, in order to protect pilot, crew and passenger safety.


The new contract has been under development for several years and there have been several bouts of negotiations between the government and the BMA. The level of disagreement intensified, earlier this year, when Jeremy Hunt publically stated that he would force the changes through, whether or not the BMA agreed to them. The BMA responded by withdrawing from negotiations and have refused to return to negotiation unless the government withdraws a set of 22 pre-conditions it would require the BMA to accept upon returning to the negotiation table. Since the breakdown of negotiations, junior doctors and the BMA have organised a series of public marches in London, Nottingham and Belfast, as well as smaller events in other areas, to publicise what they feel are the issues of safety and fairness with the new contract.

After these measures have not been successful in getting the government to agree to abandon pre-conditions to negotiations, the BMA moved to balloting junior doctors on strike action. This would be the first full walk-out of junior doctors in the United Kingdom. The proposed model for industrial action currently consists of one day of emergency-only cover (similar to the sort of cover that happens at weekends of bank holidays) and then two later dates with a full walk-out. During these dates, patients would be treated by full teams of consultants, stepping in to fill the gaps created by their junior colleagues, and the BMA has maintained that there will be no effect on patient safety. Data acquired during previous strikes has shown a reduction in mortality during the strike period, purportedly due to a reduction in elective surgeries, and several consultant groups have not only come out as saying they will cover absences from junior doctors, but have also given their full support to strikes.

A number of issues have been raised by the proposed new contracts, and a significant amount of ire by the medical profession has been generated by the way the negotiations have proceeded. Many doctors feel that the profession has been undermined by the government and the press, and are concerned that questions about impacts on patient safety have not been addressed. The BMA and, by and large, the medical profession support a move to a seven-day NHS. Their claim is that in order for the NHS to develop towards such a service, broader changes are required that reflect the fact that junior doctors do not work in isolation, and such a service would require more funding. They maintain that the current contract doesn’t promote seven day working and undermines patient safety. Depending on the outcome of the balloting, it is likely that this debate will heat up even further over the next months.

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Debating: Miscellaneous Tips and Tricks

In debating there are a lot of different situations you can think of. Our reporter Srdjan gives some tips and tricks. Most people involved in debating faced at least one of those situations, so it’s useful for everyone!

Note: these views do not necessarily reflect the views of the entire debating community, but only those of one person.

By Srdjan Miletic


  • You’re not in a debate.
  • Be calm. Avoid hysteria like the plague.
  • Speak for yourself. “I don’t buy this argument” is always more persuasive than “We don’t buy this argument”.
  • Control your hands.
  • Drop filler words. Comparative, analysis and clash can have meaning. Too often they don’t.


  • Your partner is never dragging you down. You’re just not good enough to pull them up.
  • You can Pro-Am to win or you can Pro-Am to teach. Be clear on which you’re doing.


  • Counter-Props are a thing. Ignore them at your peril
  • Don’t win clashes. Win the debate.
  • Rebuttal is constructive
  • Constructive can be rebuttal.
  • Examples can be arguments.
  • Consequentialism is nigh impossible to challenge. Utilitarianism is not


  • The Average Informed Voter is neither left-wing nor a feminist.
  • Argumentative sophistication is not persuasiveness.
  • Truth is not binary.
  • Persuasiveness = Truth(%) * Importance
  • Rebuttal is as good as constructive
  • Metrics are important


  • Counter Props are a thing. Either have a clear position on them OR take a position on a motion by motion basis
  • “THW do X as opposed to Y” is an effective way of excluding counter-props on a motion by motion basis

Being a Good Person

  • If someone is worse at debating, that doesn’t mean they’re less intelligent.
  • If someone is less intelligent, that doesn’t mean they’re a bad person.
  • If someone is a bad person, that doesn’t mean you should treat them badly.
doorMascha Bloemer

THW ban X? Why counterpropping nationalization is an easy win

This article is written by Srdjan Miletic and can be found on his blog.

In most debates about banning a good, the main clashes should be whether access to the good is desirable and whether a black market will arise. Often, a major tenet of the Government case is that market failure occurs as markets have incredibly perverse or damaging incentives, meaning that the good should be banned to prevent the existence of an abusive market. This argumentation is incredibly flawed as it is not specific to banning. There are other ways to be rid of an abusive market while still allowing the consumption and production of a good. Namely, nationalization.
As opposition, counter-propping nationalization has a number of advantages. One, it at a stroke makes irrelevant all of a PM’s analysis on why markets are bad. Two, it throws off Gov teams, especially IoNA or Israeli teams who are by and large exceptionally unused to counter-props. Three, it’s really fun.


doorEUDC-, WUDC- and WSDC-reporter

Vienna EUDC 2015: Last three days

By Mussé Redi

After the break announcement of yesterday, breakfast was extended today up to half past eleven; offering a possibility to party until the end. Most people took that as an opportunity to sleep until long after the sun came up. Afterwards, we had a few free hours.

Different people had different schedules today. Some went on to see the quarter-finals; others took a dive in the river, the weather acting friendly (thirty degrees Celsius); even others were sightseeing the city, witnessing the beautiful palace, with a sloped garden of a few hundred meters; yet others were taking a UN city tour.

In the quarter-finals, Leiden A (OO) fought against Tel Aviv (OG), Warsaw (CG) and Riga (CO) on the motion This House would legalize surrogacy for profit in Western Liberal Democracies. Leiden B (CO) debated against LMU Munich (OG), Tartu A (OO) and BGU A (CG).

The Open quarters were held later in the afternoon on the motion This House would prohibit businesses from taking a public position on social justice issues.

Before we knew it the evening was in its late hours, and the OrgComm was announcing the teams that made it to the semis.

Leiden A made it to the semi-finals.

Pizza was served as dinner. Red bull and other beverages were served as drinks.

In the city center a social was being held; and another one at the hotel afterwards, people standing and talking within a radius of a fifty meters of the hotel lobby. Leiden A went on to sleep early.

In the semi-finals Leiden A (CO) was up to Tartu (OO), Tel Aviv C (OG) and Munich (CG) on the motion This House would allow EU citizens to donate to political parties in any EU member state.

The building got evacuated during the Deputy-Leader-of-Opposition speech, due to a fire-alarm. There we were, standing outside, baffled by this unconventional situation. In a few minutes, the CA (Michael Shapira) announced that a reserve motion was going to be announced in the building where the briefings are held.

Half an hour later, the motion was announced: This House would introduce a mandatory term of at least one year of non-military national service for eighteen-year-olds.

Afterwards, we were directed to return to the hotel and dress up in formal attire for the final. Upon arriving at the aesthetic venue, the majority were dressed in black-tie; others whore a tie; the women dressed in an infinite variety. A guest lecture was held about the importance of debating. All sorts of important people also joined and a small army of cameras arrived.

Leiden A (CG), was announced to have made it to the finals, with Tel Aviv C (OG), Tel Aviv B (OO) and Stockholm A (CO). The motion was announced, directly after the announcement of the teams: This House believes that parents of a musical child genius have the obligation to push that child to maximize their musical potential.

The Open final motion read: This House would treat the deaths of soldiers as regrettable loss of human life, rather then something heroic.

Following the finals, a dinner-incorporated social was held inside a huge castle-like building in the middle of Vienna: a courtesy of the mayor of Vienna. Acknowledgements were made and awards were given. Roel Becker and Ybo Buruma were respectively second and third best ESL speaker of Vienna EUDC 2015 (English as a Second Language). Tel Aviv B (OO) eventually won the ESL final over Leiden A (CG) on a 4/3 split.

The after-social was held in yet another sparkling, less-formal, part of the city. We were transferred by bus, which had an excellent AC; an appreciable quality in Vienna, with the average temperature being above thirty degrees Celsius.

After a last breakfast, we checked out of our rooms before 11.00 am in the morning and were headed back for the Netherlands. New friends were made, old friends were spoken to, exciting debates were held; as a whole, Vienna EUDC 2015 is something worth remembering. Our compliments to the people who made it possible!

doorEUDC-, WUDC- and WSDC-reporter

Vienna EUDC 2015: Day 4 (Break day)

By Mussé Redi and Sarah Rust

The last three preliminary rounds are closed, which means that the results are not announced right after the debate. This lead to people conjecturing on their scores and judges trying to hold a poker face whilst passing a judged team in the corridor.

The motions today were:
R7. THBT the West should stop all attempts to gather information or intelligence by deception and/or coercion of foreign citizens
R8. THBT it is legitimate for individuals to punish people they deem to have committed online harassment by revealing their identity online
R9. THW introduce a 100% inheritance tax

As the last rounds finished, people were guided to the “Space-shaped building” to commence dining. We where welcomed with pork-beef-and-cheese hamburgers.

The sun was still fryingly hot, at about 30 degrees and people were heading back to yet another mesmerizing social, in a park-like bar. There we had a Dutch caucus to discuss the agenda for the Euros council, where policy is developed for upcoming EUROS.

This night’s social was held at the Pratersauna, a club with indoor and outdoor dancing areas and an outdoor pool.

At the party the CA team announced that the break result was delayed by an hour so some of the nervous teams had their patience tested. Eventutally, the CA-team grabbed the microphone and directed those present to gather around. In these next few minutes tensions reached a climax.

The break announcement started with judges, followed by the ESL-break (English as Second Language) and the Open break. Every breaking teams and judge received a tremendous applause.

The break was as follows:
1. ULU A (23)
2. St Andrews A (22)
3. Oxford A (22)
4. GUU A (21)
5. Strathclyde (21)
6. Linkopings A (20)
7. Tel Aviv A (20)
8. Cambridge A (19)
9. UCD LawSoc A (19)
10. Warwick A (19)
11. TCD Phil B (19)
12. Oxford C (19)
13. Birminham A (19)
14. UCD L&H A (19)
15. Belgrade A (18)
16. TCD Phil A (18)

1. Tel Aviv A (20)
2. Leiden A (18)
3. BGU A (18)
4. Hebrew A (17)
5. Stockholm A (17)
6. Leiden B (17) VI
7. Tel Aviv C (17)
8. BBU A (16)
9. PEP A (16)
10. Warsaw A (16)
11. LMU Munich A (15)
12. Tel Aviv B (15)
13. Belgrade C (15)
14. Tartu A (15)
15. SSE Riga A (15)
16. Technion B (15)

Dutch breaking judges are: Annabelle van Beusekom, Karin Merckens, Bionda Merckens, Daan Welling, Leela Koenig, Simone van Elk.